MC, Yes, it's the same playbook and judging from its cavalier attitude toward training and safety, it considers accidents a cost of doing business. Did the pilot actually fail or avoid the fail by returning to Endeavor. I'm wondering if airlines are playing with the principle of the pilot records database. I don't know the minutae around reporting to the database. Regardless, it certainly is thumbing its nose at the NTSB.
Hypothetically, and very generally speaking, if it was clear a pilot would fail training, and instead of the inevitable, that pilot was allowed to avoid the fail by returning to previous employment, then technically the pilot did not fail. It’s a very murky grey area that allows airlines to save training costs by sending an inferior pilot back to a previous position without addressing skill deficiencies.
This all goes way back to 1996 and the introduction of PRIA. PRIA places the burden of responsibility on an airline to hire a pilot capable of flying a commercial jet by fully vetting that pilot’s medical history, certifications, training, competencies, disciplinary action etc.
Atlas Air 3591, 3 fatalities, the FO had tried and failed to upgrade to captain at a previous company. Atlas Air’s hiring process and pilot screening program came under intense scrutiny because of this. Nothing will change until the amount of money airlines spend on lawsuits makes it more cost efficient for them to prioritise safety than settle with families of the dead.
Airlines all operate from the SAME playbook! The silencing of whistleblowers, the coverup of incompetence, deflecting the blame, protecting their good name and their shareholders’ profits all at the cost of safety. Clearly Delta aren’t interested in having an open and honest conversation about what went wrong here. You can’t pair a very green FO, with a Captain who has a record of failing checkrides and not expect disaster. It saves Delta training costs but they gamble with people’s lives. That plane was belly flopped onto the ground, and it is a miracle no one was killed. There was no attempt to flare at all! That is the sort of error someone obtaining a private pilot’s license makes, not an experienced commercial airline pilot. Although this is very early stages and we really don’t have the full story here.
Delta will blame weather, they will blame the pilots themselves but they will never blame their systems.
This is the same thing that happened after Flight 587. Anyone with a bad word to say about Sten Molin or American’s knowledge of his long history of predation and poor piloting, and their failure to act, was muzzled. You don’t just wake up one day and decide to use the rudder in an overly aggressive manner to counter jet wash. That was a habit. Molin was a problem American Airlines were aware of and they failed to act.
It is horrifying watching footage of Molin doing a stairmaster workout on the rudder of a small aerobatics plane, knowing these same manoeuvres took down Flight 587. And of course Molin with his giant ego needed to film himself showboating for posterity. And we know he was showboating to impress a minor which is even more horrifying.
Currently we know of one predator with an alcohol problem working for a commuter airline: Monte Wedl. We also know the training at commuter airlines is poor. I really don’t know what else to say except they never learn.
MC, the greatest problem with silencing those who speak out is nothing ever gets fixed. And if that is training... then we have a huge problem. More than half of my report was due to poor training and Delta did the worst thing they could... to use mental health in effort to silence me instead of fixing the problems. We saw what the outcome at Endeavor was. The reality is, airlines have substandard training and when two pilots on a lower level of performance, or one green and the other weak, end up on the same plane we have a huge problem. The real question is, why won't they just be accountable? Fix the problem? The issue with flight 587, is that so many people at the airline knew it was wrong what he was doing, even before the crash. Yet, nothing was done. All the reports came out after the crash.
The issue is, FAA oversight are typically retired airline captains who may not have understanding of AQP, automation, SMS, or all the nuances of current aviation or even how to train. And airlines do not design training programs to improve learning, basically, because I don't think they have anyone on staff with the ability to do such a thing and they won't spend the money. The blind leading the blind.
Without accountability and/or looking the other way, nothing will ever get fixed. There is the sad truth. And I'm afraid we are going to see more accidents. And probably not get so lucky next time.
The tombstone agency, as I understand it, is all about jobs for the boys, and hiring old line pilots from major commercial airlines means it is too close to the aviation industry it is trying to regulate. The FAA regulatory oversight is reactive and far too lenient. The B 737 MAX tragedy is a perfect example: they delegated regulatory work including safety inspections to Boeing! After the two MAX fatal crashes their certification process came under intense scrutiny and questions were raised about their safety protocols, as you know.
I am not sure if you are aware now the MCAS issue has supposedly been resolved, further questions are being raised (by Mentour Pilot Petter Hornfeldt) about the LRD on LEAP 1 engines. This can cause smoke and lethal chemicals to fill the cabin or cockpit. Two Southwest Airlines 737 Max suffered incidents in 2023 after striking birds shortly after take-off. A huge selling point of the MAX was that the plane required minimal additional pilot training, which was of course revised ONLY after many people had lost their lives.
Airlines will save money and cut corners wherever they can, including with training because safety measures increase costs without increasing revenue. safety isn’t their prime concern. Understanding the complicated flight control architecture on a large commercial jet as you know, takes time. This is not something they should cut corners with but they do. Major airlines have plenty of money to spend on lawyers and endless legal battles muzzling anyone trying to expose their practices. As they say the FAA rules and regulations are written in blood.
MC, I don't believe the FAA has anyone qualified to be regulating the current operation. It's filled with guys from old school. And the airline definitely wags that dog's tail. And the rotation of FAA administrators in and out of Delta is another bad sign. A total conflict of interest. Now... check out these stats. https://karlenepetitt.com/how-safe-is-flying/ I'm thinking we need to talk!
You can’t regulate something you don’t understand.
To use the MAX example again apparently even Ed Clark, chief engineer at Boeing, didn’t understand the flawed design of MCAS because the engineers didn’t tell him!
Looking at those stats it’s the number of “incidents” that is very telling. The near misses and potential catastrophes is very troubling. I think passengers would be extremely surprised and find it very unsettling to know how close many of them have come to disaster.
And of course this encompasses flaws in ATC systems as well.
“NTSB ‘concerned’ over 15,000 near-misses between helicopters and planes a DC airport in just 3 years before crash that killed 67”
It doesn't look like Karlene is going to take any of Delta's shit. Good for her. I see CZL/Zoe and her pretend "pilot" accounts are now harassing Karlene on social media, and Karlene will squash that trash like the cockroach Zoe is. Hope i'm around to see it when it happens
MC, Yes, it's the same playbook and judging from its cavalier attitude toward training and safety, it considers accidents a cost of doing business. Did the pilot actually fail or avoid the fail by returning to Endeavor. I'm wondering if airlines are playing with the principle of the pilot records database. I don't know the minutae around reporting to the database. Regardless, it certainly is thumbing its nose at the NTSB.
Hypothetically, and very generally speaking, if it was clear a pilot would fail training, and instead of the inevitable, that pilot was allowed to avoid the fail by returning to previous employment, then technically the pilot did not fail. It’s a very murky grey area that allows airlines to save training costs by sending an inferior pilot back to a previous position without addressing skill deficiencies.
This all goes way back to 1996 and the introduction of PRIA. PRIA places the burden of responsibility on an airline to hire a pilot capable of flying a commercial jet by fully vetting that pilot’s medical history, certifications, training, competencies, disciplinary action etc.
Atlas Air 3591, 3 fatalities, the FO had tried and failed to upgrade to captain at a previous company. Atlas Air’s hiring process and pilot screening program came under intense scrutiny because of this. Nothing will change until the amount of money airlines spend on lawsuits makes it more cost efficient for them to prioritise safety than settle with families of the dead.
Airlines all operate from the SAME playbook! The silencing of whistleblowers, the coverup of incompetence, deflecting the blame, protecting their good name and their shareholders’ profits all at the cost of safety. Clearly Delta aren’t interested in having an open and honest conversation about what went wrong here. You can’t pair a very green FO, with a Captain who has a record of failing checkrides and not expect disaster. It saves Delta training costs but they gamble with people’s lives. That plane was belly flopped onto the ground, and it is a miracle no one was killed. There was no attempt to flare at all! That is the sort of error someone obtaining a private pilot’s license makes, not an experienced commercial airline pilot. Although this is very early stages and we really don’t have the full story here.
Delta will blame weather, they will blame the pilots themselves but they will never blame their systems.
This is the same thing that happened after Flight 587. Anyone with a bad word to say about Sten Molin or American’s knowledge of his long history of predation and poor piloting, and their failure to act, was muzzled. You don’t just wake up one day and decide to use the rudder in an overly aggressive manner to counter jet wash. That was a habit. Molin was a problem American Airlines were aware of and they failed to act.
It is horrifying watching footage of Molin doing a stairmaster workout on the rudder of a small aerobatics plane, knowing these same manoeuvres took down Flight 587. And of course Molin with his giant ego needed to film himself showboating for posterity. And we know he was showboating to impress a minor which is even more horrifying.
Currently we know of one predator with an alcohol problem working for a commuter airline: Monte Wedl. We also know the training at commuter airlines is poor. I really don’t know what else to say except they never learn.
ugh this is terrifying.
MC, the greatest problem with silencing those who speak out is nothing ever gets fixed. And if that is training... then we have a huge problem. More than half of my report was due to poor training and Delta did the worst thing they could... to use mental health in effort to silence me instead of fixing the problems. We saw what the outcome at Endeavor was. The reality is, airlines have substandard training and when two pilots on a lower level of performance, or one green and the other weak, end up on the same plane we have a huge problem. The real question is, why won't they just be accountable? Fix the problem? The issue with flight 587, is that so many people at the airline knew it was wrong what he was doing, even before the crash. Yet, nothing was done. All the reports came out after the crash.
The issue is, FAA oversight are typically retired airline captains who may not have understanding of AQP, automation, SMS, or all the nuances of current aviation or even how to train. And airlines do not design training programs to improve learning, basically, because I don't think they have anyone on staff with the ability to do such a thing and they won't spend the money. The blind leading the blind.
Without accountability and/or looking the other way, nothing will ever get fixed. There is the sad truth. And I'm afraid we are going to see more accidents. And probably not get so lucky next time.
The tombstone agency, as I understand it, is all about jobs for the boys, and hiring old line pilots from major commercial airlines means it is too close to the aviation industry it is trying to regulate. The FAA regulatory oversight is reactive and far too lenient. The B 737 MAX tragedy is a perfect example: they delegated regulatory work including safety inspections to Boeing! After the two MAX fatal crashes their certification process came under intense scrutiny and questions were raised about their safety protocols, as you know.
I am not sure if you are aware now the MCAS issue has supposedly been resolved, further questions are being raised (by Mentour Pilot Petter Hornfeldt) about the LRD on LEAP 1 engines. This can cause smoke and lethal chemicals to fill the cabin or cockpit. Two Southwest Airlines 737 Max suffered incidents in 2023 after striking birds shortly after take-off. A huge selling point of the MAX was that the plane required minimal additional pilot training, which was of course revised ONLY after many people had lost their lives.
Airlines will save money and cut corners wherever they can, including with training because safety measures increase costs without increasing revenue. safety isn’t their prime concern. Understanding the complicated flight control architecture on a large commercial jet as you know, takes time. This is not something they should cut corners with but they do. Major airlines have plenty of money to spend on lawyers and endless legal battles muzzling anyone trying to expose their practices. As they say the FAA rules and regulations are written in blood.
MC, I don't believe the FAA has anyone qualified to be regulating the current operation. It's filled with guys from old school. And the airline definitely wags that dog's tail. And the rotation of FAA administrators in and out of Delta is another bad sign. A total conflict of interest. Now... check out these stats. https://karlenepetitt.com/how-safe-is-flying/ I'm thinking we need to talk!
You can’t regulate something you don’t understand.
To use the MAX example again apparently even Ed Clark, chief engineer at Boeing, didn’t understand the flawed design of MCAS because the engineers didn’t tell him!
Looking at those stats it’s the number of “incidents” that is very telling. The near misses and potential catastrophes is very troubling. I think passengers would be extremely surprised and find it very unsettling to know how close many of them have come to disaster.
And of course this encompasses flaws in ATC systems as well.
“NTSB ‘concerned’ over 15,000 near-misses between helicopters and planes a DC airport in just 3 years before crash that killed 67”
That’s according to the New York Post!
check out the site aeroinside and you'll see the real picture on what's happening. It's amazing.
Why are you mentioning Sten’s name again? I have told you repeatedly this isn’t true. Yet you persist with these lies!
It doesn't look like Karlene is going to take any of Delta's shit. Good for her. I see CZL/Zoe and her pretend "pilot" accounts are now harassing Karlene on social media, and Karlene will squash that trash like the cockroach Zoe is. Hope i'm around to see it when it happens