Shame on this jury. Captain Bob Sipovac’s testimony should have been compelling enough for them to want to find Nelson liable for assault. Don’t the specimens’ who served on this jury care about the allegations of child rape in Brazil and want to send a message child rape is wrong even if they think sexual assault is no big deal? What is even more appalling is that American Airlines were allegedly happy to compromise the safety of passengers to protect their allegedly intoxicated FO. Over two decades since their coked up and sleep deprived F.O. pedophile Sten Molin took down a plane and they still haven’t learnt to prioritise passenger safety. Oh and the thuggish behaviour of pilots wanting to protect Nelson is very familiar to anyone dealing with the reams of abusive trolling from American Airlines pilots trying to silence journalists and victims speaking out about aviation predators including dead pedophile Sten Molin. Shame on you all.
He impressed them with his glory days as Top Gun, and that also sounds familiar. They also probably didn’t want to find him liable because he “served his country”. It is really hard to get people to care about issues that don’t affect them and involve women and girls being harmed (unless of course that abuse can be used as a cynical political weapon). And one thing is certain these corporations will not do anything until they are pushed to by public sentiment. Another painful truth is that some women are often complicit in their own subjugation. Shame on that jury. There really are a lot of bastards out there.
spot on, on every count. I keep thinking if the jury was that young, one day one of them is going to have serious sh-- like this happen to them as they go through life, and I hope they look back on their decision and feel like utter garbage. Sorry, not sorry.
I don’t understand their reasoning? They believe the two FAs made up the assault? They think Captain Sipovac lied about Nelson’s boasting of raping child sex trafficking victims? Or perhaps the White male former military airman matters, and the two female FAs and Latina girls in Brazil don’t matter to them. It’s weird how certain individuals prioritise the feelings and reputation of men (even long dead pedophiles) over living women and children. This really pisses me off.
On an unrelated note: People ask why Ed States didn’t “take the plane” after Molin wigged out. It was, I think, an Air France 447 scenario. Ed didn’t know that Molin’s rudder inputs were causing the plane to violently yaw and roll, just like David Robert didn’t know Bonin was stalling Flight 447 by pitching up with full back pressure. Ed thought it was the wake turbulence from the JAL causing the violent motions on the plane. Ed, I am told, did not fly with his feet on the rudder when he wasn’t P.I.C. I think had he known his immediate reaction would have been to seize control of the aircraft.
If you’re collecting evidence for defamation the individual has created another YouTube account with more videos just posted. I am keeping an eye on it and if she mentions my name she’ll be in trouble legally. (Take note if you’re reading this Charlie Zulu Lima which I know you are)
In regards to Molin’s stunt flying days at Bankstown Airport it casts the crash of Flight 587 in a different light. Had the NTSB had information about his stunt flying, the high angles of bank, aggressive use of the rudder (as you can in a stunt plane) aileron rolls, Cuban eights, dive rolls, etc that would have factored in to the determination of what caused the crash and even more blame would be placed on Molin. Molin was flying a large commercial passenger jet like an aerobatics plane because he was an idiot.
Based on the kind of excuses for predators i'm seeing on social media these days, my personal take is that the verdict could have been based in "boys will be boys" rape culture where they could easily believe it happened, but went out of their way to excuse it in their minds as "just one mistake" or "no big deal." What happened to the women after, with their endless medical bills and PTSD, was something they should've "just gotten over." The onus is usually on us to not make a big deal out of things so as not to harm a man and/or institution's reputation. I commend the FAs for their strength, bravery and grace throughout.
Interesting. Is any expert or real person questioning this? I ask only because the NTSB spent a lot of time and resources and never blamed ES for anything that I saw. It's settled fact that it was PF error—Sten Molin's panic and poor state of mind, not to mention potentially debilitating side effects from the ephedrine and pseudoephedrine coursing through his system—with training and design as only contributing factors. So there are no questions about that by any experts or official regulatory body. The pilots i'm on chats with reached out to me a while back to shake their heads after reading some of the coverage...they'd never mess with the controls like that, and "training" can't account for those aggressive moves. If it could, half of American's planes would've presumably fallen out of the sky with pilots' jerking rudders around willy nilly every time they hit some everyday wake turbulence. It seems a weird thing to try to defend. Thanks for sharing your expertise to explain how the captain wasn't at fault for that. As always, I feel so sickened for his victims, living and dead. Just horrific.
Yes, if it isn’t outright rape and you aren’t a nun on her way home from church that was raped in broad daylight in front of ten witnesses who will testify to the assault and your mother superior will testify to your excellent character, then you are just a terrible person who asked for it and should “suck it up”. I know that attitude very well. However I still can’t see how any sane reasonable person could interpret what Nelson is alleged to have done as anything but assault. Aren’t these specimens concerned that he is alleged to have piloted planes drunk and what about Sipovac’s testimony?
These two brave ladies should take heart in knowing that the truth about Nelson is just a Google search away. The internet is forever. Even many years from now anyone searching Nelson’s name will come across Captain Sipovac’s testimony that Nelson boasted of raping underage child sex trafficking victims while on layovers in Brazil.
I am responding to pro Molin trolls who have complained online that States should have taken command of the plane or that he should have waited longer before take off.
I applaud Admiral Cloudberg but she isn’t a pilot. Anyone who has even flown a large commercial jet knows how egregious Molin’s actions were. A Captain at American tried to recreate Molin’s rudder inouts in a simulator and had to stop after three inputs. The simulator was moving so violently he felt physically sick and commented “ anyone would have to be crazy to do that”. And Molin was.
Let’s not rewrite the history books on that. Ed was an excellent pilot who was very well respected and liked. The separation between 587 and the JAL was well within established safety protocols. Ed had less than 11 seconds to react to Molin’s wiggling out. His feet were likely not on the rudder (as is not required at the time) and he simply didn’t know Molin was causing the plane to violently yaw and roll. It wasn’t his fault. I suspect there are only a handful of elite test pilots in the world who would have been able to assess the situation in less than 11 seconds and take command of the plane.
Molin was performing like an aerobatics pilot to stabilise the plane CONTRARY to his training. The AAMP called for “smooth well co ordinated rudder” to counter usual attitudes. Ewell modified the training prior to Flight 587 to ensure there was much less emphasis on the rudder, and certainly rapid rudder reversals were never part of the training manual. Airbus should have made the performance limitations of their aircraft clear and the fragility of early composite materials versus previously used metal and metal alloys. That is the only concession I will give Molin and his supporters.
I also think that posting footage of Molin in Australia at Bankstown Airport performing aileron rolls, wing waves, and the Herbst Maneuver manoeuvres fairly similar to what took down Flight 587 is F—-king stupid and a slap in the face to the 264 innocent victims who died in the crash.
Shame on this jury. Captain Bob Sipovac’s testimony should have been compelling enough for them to want to find Nelson liable for assault. Don’t the specimens’ who served on this jury care about the allegations of child rape in Brazil and want to send a message child rape is wrong even if they think sexual assault is no big deal? What is even more appalling is that American Airlines were allegedly happy to compromise the safety of passengers to protect their allegedly intoxicated FO. Over two decades since their coked up and sleep deprived F.O. pedophile Sten Molin took down a plane and they still haven’t learnt to prioritise passenger safety. Oh and the thuggish behaviour of pilots wanting to protect Nelson is very familiar to anyone dealing with the reams of abusive trolling from American Airlines pilots trying to silence journalists and victims speaking out about aviation predators including dead pedophile Sten Molin. Shame on you all.
It’s beyond belief. The fact half the jury were women & yet identified with the male predator is incredibly demoralizing
He impressed them with his glory days as Top Gun, and that also sounds familiar. They also probably didn’t want to find him liable because he “served his country”. It is really hard to get people to care about issues that don’t affect them and involve women and girls being harmed (unless of course that abuse can be used as a cynical political weapon). And one thing is certain these corporations will not do anything until they are pushed to by public sentiment. Another painful truth is that some women are often complicit in their own subjugation. Shame on that jury. There really are a lot of bastards out there.
spot on, on every count. I keep thinking if the jury was that young, one day one of them is going to have serious sh-- like this happen to them as they go through life, and I hope they look back on their decision and feel like utter garbage. Sorry, not sorry.
I don’t understand their reasoning? They believe the two FAs made up the assault? They think Captain Sipovac lied about Nelson’s boasting of raping child sex trafficking victims? Or perhaps the White male former military airman matters, and the two female FAs and Latina girls in Brazil don’t matter to them. It’s weird how certain individuals prioritise the feelings and reputation of men (even long dead pedophiles) over living women and children. This really pisses me off.
On an unrelated note: People ask why Ed States didn’t “take the plane” after Molin wigged out. It was, I think, an Air France 447 scenario. Ed didn’t know that Molin’s rudder inputs were causing the plane to violently yaw and roll, just like David Robert didn’t know Bonin was stalling Flight 447 by pitching up with full back pressure. Ed thought it was the wake turbulence from the JAL causing the violent motions on the plane. Ed, I am told, did not fly with his feet on the rudder when he wasn’t P.I.C. I think had he known his immediate reaction would have been to seize control of the aircraft.
If you’re collecting evidence for defamation the individual has created another YouTube account with more videos just posted. I am keeping an eye on it and if she mentions my name she’ll be in trouble legally. (Take note if you’re reading this Charlie Zulu Lima which I know you are)
In regards to Molin’s stunt flying days at Bankstown Airport it casts the crash of Flight 587 in a different light. Had the NTSB had information about his stunt flying, the high angles of bank, aggressive use of the rudder (as you can in a stunt plane) aileron rolls, Cuban eights, dive rolls, etc that would have factored in to the determination of what caused the crash and even more blame would be placed on Molin. Molin was flying a large commercial passenger jet like an aerobatics plane because he was an idiot.
Based on the kind of excuses for predators i'm seeing on social media these days, my personal take is that the verdict could have been based in "boys will be boys" rape culture where they could easily believe it happened, but went out of their way to excuse it in their minds as "just one mistake" or "no big deal." What happened to the women after, with their endless medical bills and PTSD, was something they should've "just gotten over." The onus is usually on us to not make a big deal out of things so as not to harm a man and/or institution's reputation. I commend the FAs for their strength, bravery and grace throughout.
Interesting. Is any expert or real person questioning this? I ask only because the NTSB spent a lot of time and resources and never blamed ES for anything that I saw. It's settled fact that it was PF error—Sten Molin's panic and poor state of mind, not to mention potentially debilitating side effects from the ephedrine and pseudoephedrine coursing through his system—with training and design as only contributing factors. So there are no questions about that by any experts or official regulatory body. The pilots i'm on chats with reached out to me a while back to shake their heads after reading some of the coverage...they'd never mess with the controls like that, and "training" can't account for those aggressive moves. If it could, half of American's planes would've presumably fallen out of the sky with pilots' jerking rudders around willy nilly every time they hit some everyday wake turbulence. It seems a weird thing to try to defend. Thanks for sharing your expertise to explain how the captain wasn't at fault for that. As always, I feel so sickened for his victims, living and dead. Just horrific.
Yes, if it isn’t outright rape and you aren’t a nun on her way home from church that was raped in broad daylight in front of ten witnesses who will testify to the assault and your mother superior will testify to your excellent character, then you are just a terrible person who asked for it and should “suck it up”. I know that attitude very well. However I still can’t see how any sane reasonable person could interpret what Nelson is alleged to have done as anything but assault. Aren’t these specimens concerned that he is alleged to have piloted planes drunk and what about Sipovac’s testimony?
These two brave ladies should take heart in knowing that the truth about Nelson is just a Google search away. The internet is forever. Even many years from now anyone searching Nelson’s name will come across Captain Sipovac’s testimony that Nelson boasted of raping underage child sex trafficking victims while on layovers in Brazil.
I am responding to pro Molin trolls who have complained online that States should have taken command of the plane or that he should have waited longer before take off.
I applaud Admiral Cloudberg but she isn’t a pilot. Anyone who has even flown a large commercial jet knows how egregious Molin’s actions were. A Captain at American tried to recreate Molin’s rudder inouts in a simulator and had to stop after three inputs. The simulator was moving so violently he felt physically sick and commented “ anyone would have to be crazy to do that”. And Molin was.
Let’s not rewrite the history books on that. Ed was an excellent pilot who was very well respected and liked. The separation between 587 and the JAL was well within established safety protocols. Ed had less than 11 seconds to react to Molin’s wiggling out. His feet were likely not on the rudder (as is not required at the time) and he simply didn’t know Molin was causing the plane to violently yaw and roll. It wasn’t his fault. I suspect there are only a handful of elite test pilots in the world who would have been able to assess the situation in less than 11 seconds and take command of the plane.
Molin was performing like an aerobatics pilot to stabilise the plane CONTRARY to his training. The AAMP called for “smooth well co ordinated rudder” to counter usual attitudes. Ewell modified the training prior to Flight 587 to ensure there was much less emphasis on the rudder, and certainly rapid rudder reversals were never part of the training manual. Airbus should have made the performance limitations of their aircraft clear and the fragility of early composite materials versus previously used metal and metal alloys. That is the only concession I will give Molin and his supporters.
I also think that posting footage of Molin in Australia at Bankstown Airport performing aileron rolls, wing waves, and the Herbst Maneuver manoeuvres fairly similar to what took down Flight 587 is F—-king stupid and a slap in the face to the 264 innocent victims who died in the crash.